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Did You Know...

... that the penalty rules changed after the FAI World Meet 2004?

Yellow card by Jim Rees at USPA Nationals 2019
posted Sep 13th, 2002 - Yesterday's video of NSL Live Talk with USPA's Chief Judge Jim Rees at the USPA Nationals 2019 included valuable information for teams and competitors how to present their performances successfully to the judges. Jim Rees also explained the ever increasing difficulties for the judges to produce scores quickly and accurately.

A new NSL News interview from the archives, once again with DeLand Norgies member Carl-Erik Tuv, connects present and past with the same topic. The Norwegian national 4-way team, FAI bronze medalists in 1999, 2001 and 2003, trained and competed seriously only at a time when the judging rules for penalties were different.

Each infringement was more costly, as a team would lose two points instead of only one. The respective formation did not generate a scoring point, and another 1-point deduction was assigned to the infringement. The teams did their best to avoid any doubts, as a penalty had twice as much impact on the outcome of a competition as it currently has. The change of the penalty rules was applied after the end of the 2004 season. The NSL News used the newest connection between past and present to evaluate the progression of the performances by comparing the penalty situation at the last USPA Nationals before the rule change (2004) with the scoresheets at last year's national championship.

The difference is significant. The Top 3 teams of 2004 combined for a total of three penalty situations, while the Top 3 last year produced a total of 16 infringements that were not accepted by the judges. Jim Rees explained in the interview what it takes to get a scoring point, and the judges in 2004 had obviously much less work. Carl-Erik Tuv touched the judging subject briefly, even though it was not related to any point deductions of the Top 3 teams. However, timely posting of the scores has also been a topic that Jim Rees and Mark Szulmayer both addressed.


USPA Nationals 2004
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Total Avg
Rank 4-way Open 4,P,22 16,2,8 21,N,14 3,H,M,7 12,6,17 15,10,L O,13,1 K,18,11 Q,B,20,D 19,G,C,F Total Avg
1 DeLand Majik  US  21    17    19    21 -2 19    19    20    19    28    28    211 21.1
2 Golden Knights  US  20    17    15 -4 24    19    18    17    18    24    27    199 19.9
3 Arizona Blade  US  18    17    19    21    16    16    16    17    23    22    185 18.5
USPA Nationals 2019
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Total Avg
Rank 4-way Open 7,C,H,P J,21,20 O,3,11 B,2,K,E 8,Q,10 15,D,F,12 N,L,M,14 6,1,9 A,18,13 G,4,5 Total Avg
1 NMP-PCH Hayabusa  BE  45 -1 24    27    37    21    25    34    25 -1 26 -1 25 -4  289 28.9
2 SDC Rhythm XP  US  41    22    21 -1 33    21    23    27    25    24    25     262 26.2
3 Arizona Airspeed  US  40 -1 24    22 -2 32    19 -2 24    29    25    21 -2 26 -1  262 26.2

One penalty at the USPA Nationals 2004: DeLand Majik

NSL News interview with Carl-Erik Tuv on 13 September 2002


NSL News: Carl-Erik, the U.S. Nationals are over. Did you expect this outcome in 4-way? Carl-Erik Tuv: I expected Airspeed in 2nd place. But I had Majik in 1st and the Golden Knights in 3rd place, especially after Majik's scores in Russia.

NSL News: Why do you think Majik did not perform as strongly as in Russia? Carl-Erik Tuv: To be honest - I do not know since I have not been close to the team for four months. But I have some general ideas why a team often does not perform on their peak over and over. In 1996, Airspeed's 8-way team went to the world cup in Belgium and did well. But they lost at the U.S. Nationals to the Golden Knights who had been training at home in the meantime. In 1998, the Golden Knights went to the world cup in Portugal and had a good meet beating the Russian 8-way team. And then they lost the U.S. Nationals against Airspeed in Arizona.

NSL News: Does this mean that teams should not compete shortly before the main event? Carl-Erik Tuv: You need to compete. But everyone who attends a meet before the main event should have in mind what happened to the above mentioned teams.

NSL News: How does this help? How do you set your mind correctly? Carl-Erik Tuv: You just have to be aware that your schedule should consider the main event for the peak performance by putting less attention to the previous 'training events'. The so-called 'training events' can be very helpful if you use them correctly to detect weaknesses. I like to compare to tennis as a sport. Bjorn Borg, one of the greatest athletes in sports history, never competed in more than 9 or 10 tournaments per year. He needed time off to recover and load up with energy for the next tournament.


USPA Nationals 2002
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Total Avg
Rank 4-way Open B,12,2 K,6,4 20,5,13 D,Q,11,18 N,3,9 A,21,16 22,H,L,J G,C,7,15 E,19,17 10,P,M,8 Total Avg
1 Golden Knights Gold 19    21    19    21    29    22    23    23    22    19    218 21.8
2 Arizona Airspeed 19    22    18    21    26    22    22    21    23    21    215 21.5
3 DeLand Majik 19    19    20    20    24 -2 22    23    24    22    19    212 21.2
4 Golden Knights Black 15    17    16    17    20    17    20    20    19    16    177 17.7
5 Airspeed Zulu 17    18    14    17    22    15 -2 18    17    17    16    171 17.1
6 Cross Keys Fluid 16    16    13    15    18    16    15 -1 13 -2 15    15    152 15.2
7 DeLand Frost 15    16    12    13    17    15    17    17    14    13    149 14.9
8 Ranch Tribe 14    14    13    13    17    11 -2 16    10 -2 15    13    136 13.6
9 Elsinore Adrenaline 13    13    12    13 -2 16    11 -2 15 -1 13    15    13    134 13.4
10 Synchronicity 12    12    10    12    17    13    13    15 -1 12    12    128 12.8
11 Untrained Eye 12    12    11    13    14    10 -2 11 -1 9    12    11    115 11.5
12 Team Kruegeraand 8    8    6    5    6    7 -1 6    7    8    5 -1 66 6.6

Penalty-free at the USPA Nationals 2004: Arizona Blade
NSL News: How could Majik have used the meet in Russia properly to detect weaknesses if they posted a record-breaking result? Carl-Erik Tuv: I cannot answer this question properly since I have not seen Majik training and performing in Russia. It is very possible that they just had one or two bad days at the U.S. Nationals. In every sport, top competitors can just fail.

NSL News: How much did Joey Jones' injury two days prior to the event affect the Majik performance? Carl-Erik Tuv: It is never good for a team to have an injury like that. However, the ankle injury may not have had a major impact on the team. They are great competitors and very experienced to handle it properly.

NSL News: Let's look at the other teams. Why was Airspeed not able to hold back the Golden Knights? Carl-Erik Tuv: Round 5 was obviously a great round for the Golden Knights. Winning three points over a strong opponent in one round means a lot if your opponent had a pretty good round, as well. It has a strong psychological impact. It looks as if Airspeed did not recover from this blow before Round 9.

NSL News: On Saturday, the teams hardly knew any of their opponents' scores due to delays of the judging. After the first seven rounds on Saturday, the judging for the remaining three rounds on Sunday was up-to-date. Can you read something between these lines, Carl-Erik?

Carl-Erik Tuv: It is difficult to evaluate this situation psychologically if the judging was delayed. Airspeed may just have had one bad round at that time, whether knowing the scores or not. They are very experienced competitors knowing how to deal with all kind of situations.

Injury right before the USPA Nationals 2002: Joey Jones
NSL News: What made the Golden Knights so strong at Skydive Chicago? Carl-Erik Tuv: We have to ask John Hoover who is much closer to the team.

NSL News: What do you expect for next year at the world championship? You did not count the Golden Knights in for the race at the U.S. Nationals. Do you count them in for the gold medal at the world meet? Carl-Erik Tuv: I did not consider the Knights as the favorite team for the U.S. Nationals. But everyone who knows the Golden Knights' winning traditions should not underestimate them. In other words: never underestimate a world champion.

NSL News: Two of these Golden Knights have never been a world champion. Are two world champions good enough to guarantee a victory? Carl-Erik Tuv: No, but it surely helps. They know what it takes to become a world champion. And, yes, the Golden Knights will definitely be one of the favorite teams next year.

NSL News: What are the future plans of the Norgies? Carl-Erik Tuv: We just began jumping again. Next, we will compete at the world cup this year. And then we will see what the future will bring. NSL News: We would surely like to see the Norgies back in business again. Good luck and thanks for the interview, Carl-Erik.

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